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A fantasy count is not a yes

The October 12, 2020 column asks how many women fantasize about cuckolding, and a fantasy count is not any partner's yes.

9 min read·East Coast Kink Events·October 12, 2020

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  • sexual content
  • cuckolding
  • humiliation
  • partner pressure

Key takeaways

  • The October 12, 2020 column holds the figures. Do not guess the percentage, and do not quote a number you do not have in front of you.
  • A count of people who report a fantasy is not evidence that any particular adult wants to act on it.
  • Every adult agrees to each act. A couple cannot consent for a third. A fantasy is not a plan.
  • Watching and being watched are different roles. Name which one you mean before you talk about a date.
  • Minors are never partners, props, or audience. Do not hunt for this scene on a dungeon floor.
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In this guide
  1. Key takeaways
  2. What a fantasy count can and cannot do
  3. A partner's yes is a separate document
  4. Name the role before you name the guest
  5. Barriers and a stop are not included in the fantasy
  6. Why a dungeon floor is the wrong search
  7. Pressure that quotes research
  8. How to handle the topic in a group

Cuckolding shows up in fantasy research often enough that people treat a survey as a green light. Sex and Psychology looked at how many women report cuckolding fantasies on October 12, 2020, in How Many Women Fantasize About Cuckolding? The figures and methods stay on that page. This article does not invent the percentage, and it does not move that count onto your partner, your group chat, or the guest list of a kink weekend. A fantasy count is not a partner's yes. East Coast Kink Events publishes this so adults can tell a research question from a negotiation.

Key takeaways

  • The October 12, 2020 column holds the figures. Do not guess the percentage, and do not quote a number you do not have in front of you.
  • A count of people who report a fantasy is not evidence that any particular adult wants to act on it.
  • Every adult agrees to each act. A couple cannot consent for a third. A fantasy is not a plan.
  • Watching and being watched are different roles. Name which one you mean before you talk about a date.
  • Minors are never partners, props, or audience. Do not hunt for this scene on a dungeon floor.

What a fantasy count can and cannot do

The column asks how many women fantasize about cuckolding. That "how many" is answered, if it is answered, on the source page, with a method you can read. This article will not reconstruct the table, round a figure from memory, or compare it with some other study's headline. If a friend cites a percentage at a party, ask them to send the link. If they cannot, the number is not available for your decision.

Even a carefully reported count describes people who answered a researcher. It does not describe the person you are dating. It does not describe the women at a munch in your city. It does not describe the partner who has never mentioned the topic. Using a survey to tell someone "plenty of women want this" is a pressure tactic. They can want it, or not, without reference to a 2020 sample.

A fantasy reported on a questionnaire can mean many things: a passing thought, a porn preference, a story someone would tell a spouse, or a scene they hope to arrange. The questionnaire's wording lives on the source page. You should not collapse those meanings into "she will say yes if I ask at the right event." Asking is allowed. Treating the ask as already answered is not.

A partner's yes is a separate document

If you want cuckolding, say so in plain words, ahead of time, to the partner whose body and reputation are involved. A useful opening is specific. "I have a fantasy of you having sex with another adult while I watch. I want to know if you have any interest in talking about that. No is a complete answer." Then wait. Do not follow the question with a statistic. A number cannot keep them company while they think.

Ask them to say what they heard. People often agree to "openness" and later learn one person meant a single watched encounter and the other meant an ongoing outside relationship. Those are different lives. Restating the request catches the mismatch while everyone still has their clothes on. If the restatement is wrong, correct it. If the answer is no, stop. You can revisit the subject only if they invite it.

You can also be the partner who does not want this. You do not owe a counteroffer. You do not owe a "softer" version unless you actually want that version. "I do not want cuckolding" can stand next to "I do want other kinds of non-monogamy" or next to "I want monogamy." Either pairing is coherent. The research count does not break the tie.

Name the role before you name the guest

Watching and being watched are different jobs. So are "hearing about it the next day" and "being in the room." So are humiliation and affection. Before anyone texts a possible third, write the roles down. Who has sex. Who watches. Who may speak. Who may touch. Whether insult language is included. Whether the scene is once or part of a longer agreement. If you cannot write it, you are not ready to invite anyone.

The third adult is not recruited by the survey. They need the plan in full, and they need the right to edit it. A couple's enthusiasm is not their yes. They might agree to one partner and refuse the other. They might require barriers the couple hoped to skip. They might refuse to be watched. Each of those is a valid limit. If the remaining plan is too small to interest you, cancel. Do not chip away at their limits because a fantasy is common somewhere in a data set.

Minors are out of every role. They are never partners, never props, and never audience. Do not sexualize anyone under 18 in the story you tell, the clip you share, or the joke you make at a party. If a proposed guest is not an adult, there is no negotiation left to finish.

Barriers and a stop are not included in the fantasy

A fantasy count says nothing about condoms, gloves, testing, or toys. Those are yeses you collect from each adult. If one person wants barriers, the act uses barriers or it does not happen. Common fantasies do not create a bareback exception. State your testing expectations in the same conversation, and let each person decide whether that plan is enough for them. Agreement to a role is not agreement to a risk.

The stop signal is another yes. Choose it before the night, and make clear that the watcher, the partner having sex, and the third adult can all use it. When it is used, the scene stops. You do not argue that most people in a survey would have continued. The survey is not in the room. The person who stopped is.

This page refuses methods for choking, sex with someone asleep, fire, needles, suspension, blood play, scat, and rape scenes. A sleeping person cannot agree. If the fantasy someone wants is a staged assault, that is a different topic, and it is still not a plan. Read CNC fantasies and the line after #MeToo before any such talk, and do not hide that talk inside a cuckolding request. BDSM consent practices are the better model for how to ask.

Public kink events are hosted nights with tickets, rules, and staff. They are not a sample of women who answered a fantasy item. Walking the floor, asking who is "into cuckolding," and treating silence as shyness will get you removed from a well-run party, and it should. People came to the event they bought, not to fill a role in your survey-inspired plan.

If you already have a negotiated agreement among specific adults, you still read the listing. Some spaces allow sex. Some forbid it. Some allow watching only in marked areas. Your private yes does not expand the venue's yes. For parties where many people might be sexual, read consent at an orgy or play party so you remember that a wristband is not a yes to you.

People who want an ongoing non-monogamous relationship, rather than a single scene, should say that early. How to find a non-monogamous partner is about dating with the structure named. It is not permission to cite a fantasy statistic in a first message. Tell the truth about what you want. Let the other adult match it or decline.

Pressure that quotes research

Research language can be misused. "The data says women fantasize about this" is not a reason your partner should try it. "You are close-minded compared with the sample" is an insult, not a finding. You can refuse the insult without producing a counter-study. You can also refuse to stay in a conversation that keeps score.

If the pressure becomes control, believe that pattern. Isolation, threats, monitoring your phone, or harm after you say no are abuse. In the United States, the National Domestic Violence Hotline is 1-800-799-7233. If you are in crisis, call or text 988. Event organizers can ban a guest. They are not a crisis line. See partner abuse in kink communities for how this shows up around kink.

Keep the October 12, 2020 page in charge of the figures. Keep your partners in charge of their bodies. A fantasy can be common in a study and still be unwelcome in your house. Both statements can be true on the same day, and only one of them requires the column.

How to handle the topic in a group

Munches, classes, and hotel lobby conversations are full of half-citations. Someone will say they read that women fantasize about cuckolding and then look around the table for agreement. You can interrupt that move without giving a lecture. "The figures are on the October 12, 2020 Sex and Psychology page. They are not a poll of this table." Then change the subject or ask a question that is actually about the event, such as where orientation is held. You do not owe the table your own fantasies in exchange.

If the conversation is private and welcome, still separate research from plans. One useful split is three sentences. First, whether you have the fantasy. Second, whether you want to act on it with this partner. Third, whether you are willing to invite a third adult at all. People skip to the third sentence because it is the exciting one. The first two are the ones that prevent a scene nobody agreed to. Write them in a note on your phone if speaking them is hard. A note is still your words.

Privacy runs in every direction. Do not tell a group that your partner has this fantasy, even if you think the research makes it ordinary. Ordinary in a sample is not permission to disclose. Do not tell a group that your partner refused, either. Refusal is theirs to mention. If you need advice, describe your own limit without naming their answer. "I am deciding whether I want this" is different from "they will not give it to me." The second sentence recruits an audience to your side of a two-person decision.

After any group talk, check whether you still mean the same thing you meant before the talk. Social pressure changes answers for an evening and then fades. If you agreed to "keep an open mind" in front of friends, revisit that phrase at home. An open mind is not a yes. It is a willingness to hear a description. Once you have heard it, you may close the subject. The fantasy count will still be on the 2020 page tomorrow. It does not expire your no, and it does not expire your yes if you truly want the agreement and the other adults do too.

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